The Cart Barn Podcast

J Chris Lemley (00:02)
Welcome back to the Cart Barn podcast this week. We're joined by Tim King. Tim, thanks for stopping by the Cart Barn. Looking forward to your visit.

Tim King (00:13)
no, thank you. I was, I take you yesterday looking back at the guests you guys have had, you know, the coaches that have been on here and I'm grateful that you guys allow me to be on here based on y'all's the past people y'all had on here, Coach Sewell and Gator and some of those people. So thank y'all. It's special for me to be able to be here.

Gregg Dewalt (00:35)
Well, good deal. Glad you're here. Let's just jump right in. I mean, there's a lot going on in your world right now as the new coach of the Northwest Shoals Patriots golf team, men's and women's golf team. Probably pulling down six, seven figures to get that job.

Tim King (00:49)
Yes.

Well, I don't know about that. They call it a part-time job. know, coaching is not a part-time job. So, but no, I'm excited about it, you know, to be able to, I think the biggest thing for me is I went to school there when I was going there in 88, there was no golf. They didn't have golf there. They had two sports, basketball, and I think girls softball, but to be able to come back and coach somewhere you actually went to school, you know, I went to school there. So it's the school's an easy sell because

I really enjoy going to school there. The school taught me a lot of different things. So I can sell the school to kids. You know, I'm going to have to create a program with a good culture where I can sell the program. So I'm excited about it. You know, I didn't think I would get it. I was kind of worried about not getting it. I really wanted it, regardless of part-time, full-time. So I'm just really excited about building the programs and creating a really good culture there.

Gregg Dewalt (01:51)
Are you talking a little bit about how you go about building a program? Are you gonna be focusing mostly on local kids from a three or four or five county area, or are you gonna expand the reach a little bit?

Tim King (02:06)
Well, you know, that was the thing. 70 % they want local. We can't recruit international kids. that's kind of thrown out. Alabama can't do that. So, you know, you can't even really look there. And I'm going to, I'm going to try to recruit a hundred percent local. I mean, I have so far. And if you look at the talent level, like I was at the county yesterday, Brooks is there. I mean, they're really talented. Hatable is talented.

J Chris Lemley (02:08)
Ahem.

Tim King (02:33)
And when I say talented, they're talented enough to you're going to have kids that will go other places, but you're going to have those kids that, know, those 74, 75, 73 kids that can come in and really help a new program. So, but we're going to try to do it all local. You know I mean? If I had to reach out to, you know, I wouldn't want to go far out, but Birmingham or somewhere like that. So you have to just, you know, you have to really, you have to really look.

because talent in North Alabama golf is not what it used to be. Back when I started the Najiga, mean, if you look at junior golf back in 92, 93, when Gator was young, Andrew Medley, Daniel Creel, there were so many really good junior golfers and it's kind of fell off, but it's kind of picking back up. So sometimes you got to look a little hard, but you can find them. I I feel like I found seven really good men to come in in August.

Gregg Dewalt (03:34)
What is there any kind of a draw maybe because UNH program is doing well and then also the quality of courses you guys might have an opportunity to play around here.

J Chris Lemley (03:43)
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Tim King (03:46)
No, 100%, know, we're gonna, Cypress is our home course. We're gonna utilize RTJ some, and then, you know, the foundation, Chris's foundation is, know, cause a lot of those guys played back when they Lee Fowler and there's a couple more, Scott Whittle played there. So he's a part of the Chris's foundation and they're really supportive of what we're trying to do. we're gonna build a golf suite on campus. We'll have a DC quad.

simulator inside. I want to, you know, make it really nice for a place for them to go study, have a place they can hit some putts and just kind of hang out. So that'll help us with recruiting too, you know, having that tool in our toolbox to be able to show kids. So and the courses for sure, you know, so yeah.

J Chris Lemley (04:28)
Sure.

Gregg Dewalt (04:36)
When you go about building a program, this is from the ground up. So it's kind of like got your imprint on it wherever. How do you approach what kids to recruit? Not only just because they might be talented or just kind of on that fringe of being really talented, opposed to the academic aspect of it and everything.

Tim King (05:02)
Yes, definitely. I I look at academics first. I mean, I really do. I mean, but most most golfers are good students anyway, but that's very important to me, the academic side of it. When I was building the programs at Talladega, the really I had no really I didn't have any I didn't have any support in this at the school. My support came from people outside of the college, which made it harder.

right, to build a program when you don't have, when the school's not really supporting it and they're just trying to add another program, you know, they don't, they're not financially, you know, I'd have to go out, I'd have to raise extra money. So I was having to reach out to people outside of the school. That's how I created the relationship with Shaquille, you know, through Bobby Clayton, Justin Rigan introduced me to Bobby and then Bobby introduced me to Shaquille's agent and then Shaquille's agent introduced me to Shaquille. So like, I was having to like reach out to all different places.

It's different at Northwest. The school is very supportive of it. So it'll be a lot easier to build a program because of the school and, you know, Eddie Franks and the president. You got internal support and I know I've already got the external support, you know, the foundation and the community. So the community is really excited about it. So it won't be as hard to do, but yes, I want to make sure that we have, you know, that we're, you know, good in the classroom.

J Chris Lemley (06:04)
You

Tim King (06:27)
we give back to our community. We're gonna do snag golf stuff with the foundation. We're gonna go into the schools and just like you and I was helping us do. So we're gonna combine all that and do that. And then of course on the course. it's classroom, community and course. Those are my three criteria. You gotta be good in the classroom. You need to be in your community supporting the community that's supporting you. And then, you

J Chris Lemley (06:50)
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Tim King (06:53)
Developing and getting better on the golf course, but that's that's really last but if you do those things Success will come. I mean it's you know, it's a byproduct of

J Chris Lemley (07:03)
So Tim, as you're building a program, what conference are you going to be in and have you been able to get your schedule laid out yet or are you still working on that?

Tim King (07:15)
Yeah, we're working on it. So, you know, I've always coached NAIA golf. Gco Golf is new to me, so I'm trying to learn a lot of the stuff. there's three divisions in junior college. So, and they crown national champions in all three, Division 1, Division 2, Division 3. So they crown national champions in all of those divisions. So.

Calhoun and Wallace State and a lot of those schools were in Division 1.

And they have since gone to division two and just because it's so competitive, because it's a lot of Texas and Oklahoma schools and they can recruit internationally. got, know, they got kids can live on campus. Can't do that in Alabama. So Jeff state and all those schools have moved to division two. Well, we were going to go division one. So I called Taylor and I was like, Hey, you know, let's consider, you know, we'll spend less money. It's just, you don't gotta travel as far. And those guys, the coach,

it it uh Cal Richard at Calhoun and those guys have created a really good model for this area there's like 13 junior junior colleges in that so if we host a tournament all of them will come to it if Richard hosts the tournament at Calhoun everybody'll go to that so it's scheduling will be a whole lot easier so we we went division two which was you know i was glad because it's like i said it'll be less expensive scheduling will be easier

We've already booked our home tournament October the 6th and 7th at Cypress. So we'll start in August and then we'll play our first home event there. So the schedule will be, those 12 schools when they have events, that's where we'll go play. So I don't really have to worry about schedule. Schedule kind of makes itself for us. So that's never happened for me at other schools. I've always had to kind of figure out where we're gonna go play and travel 10 hours, 12 hours. I don't have to do that.

On an old man, I'm getting old and it's for me to travel and stay up. So it'll be good for me as well as the kids.

J Chris Lemley (09:18)
Ha.

But talk to us.

Gregg Dewalt (09:24)
When

when when you're talking about the other schools, are there some of the Mississippi schools and Tennessee schools involved in that Division two conference or is it just Alabama schools?

Tim King (09:35)
I mean, know,

that Mississippi Gulf Coast, think they're really good. They went a lot of national championships that will compete against them, but they're not in the 12 schools. The ones I know of is us, Jefferson State, Calhoun and Wallace State. There's seven or eight more schools. CAC is not in any of that. CAC is going to stay division one. You know, they're always really competitive. So.

J Chris Lemley (09:42)
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Tim King (10:03)
They decided to stay Division 1. We're going to go Division 2. It gives us a better chance to compete for a conference, I think, early in our program. Just looking, you know, when I've gone to look at scores from those schools that we're going to be competing against, you know, if we can come in and we can be competitive, I really believe that. And that's what you want. You want to just be competitive.

J Chris Lemley (10:29)
So talk, go back just a minute and let's talk about the lack of ability to recruit internationally. Why is that?

Tim King (10:39)
Well, OK, so, you know, I've always liked it. Taladega, you know, I could recruit internationally. I had a kid from Pakistan, Demilla Tula, who's going to be a really good player. And then I recruited two kids at Martin Methodist from Ireland. But in Juco, Alabama has a law or a rule. cannot, you know, Alabama Juco's cannot bring in, cannot recruit international students. I think international students can come there.

Now, if you've got an international student on campus that's a golfer, can have them, but you can't go actively recruit them. Alabama will not let you do that, which, if you think about it, I like giving American kids chances, right? But to have that, be competitive, mean, those kids actually, they work harder, they come from different backgrounds, so like,

I've always had success with international kids. I'm not saying they're better than American kids, but they tend to work harder than the American kid does. So I wish we could do it because I would take that 20 % or 30%, I would find a couple of them, bring them in to help the program. we did this Alabama, won't let you do it right now.

J Chris Lemley (11:45)
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So that's a Juco Alabama Juco thing. It's got to be. Yeah. Cause the back.

Tim King (12:00)
Yes, yes sir. That's yeah, and I didn't know that. It doesn't

matter. You know, I didn't know that till like I said, I've never coached you cold golf. This is all new to me, so I'm trying to learn everything and learn how everything works. I've always coached NAIA golf so yeah.

Gregg Dewalt (12:16)
We all know there were no rules in NAIA, right?

Tim King (12:20)
zero. recruiting, you know, the other stuff that I do, like the recruiting consultant I'm doing, helping kids and, you know, if you're in an NCAA school, you can't do that. You know, because it's an unfair advantage to other schools. you know, with recruiting budgets and the way they are, it's like, but I've never, I've never brought a kid to play for me who I've helped with their recruiting.

Like if I've helped a kid build their website and do what happened with all their stuff, like I'm helping Anna Lee, I would bring Anna Lee there if I could get her, you I'm helping her with recruitment, but like I've never done that. So I've never tried to use that as an advantage. I've always wanted kids to go where the best fit for them. That's the key where they're going to be happy and the best fit. like, yeah.

Gregg Dewalt (13:09)
So structurally on the team, what can you offer a kid? it tuition and books and room and board? Are they all full scholarships? How does that work?

Tim King (13:23)
Yeah, so I've seven and seven. So I got seven men, seven women full. We don't offer room and board. you know, the local kids, that's where the, you know, they benefit. You know, a local kid that can commute and make it work. I mean, that's two years of school paid for. And, you know, and they're even allowing the kids to go to summer school if they want to stay ahead or get ahead. So, you know, I've never heard of that either.

J Chris Lemley (13:51)
Mm-hmm.

Tim King (13:51)
a scholarship including a summer session of

school. So that's what we have. Since we're starting the program, if you think about it, so 25s are coming in, right? I've got seven guys. If I've only got seven scholarships on both sides, I've got, unless kids leave, I can't, it's gonna be, I mean, impossible to bring in 26s. And we're gonna have some good 26s coming out from Brooks and Lauderdale County.

You know, I've got a couple of Haleville kids coming in in August. They're really good. But it's gonna it's just gonna be hard. So I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get three more. See if we can go to 10 on the men's side. That way I could have, you know, a little a little room and then there's a kid from Muscle Shells coming. It's a 24. He graduated last year, so he's already been there a year, so he'll only play a year. Braden Williamson from Muscle Shells is playing, so I mean, but I want to be able to find.

to bring in some of those 26s, but they're full, except Roman Board.

And that's easy to recruit to too. I talked to a girl from Lauderdale County who wants to be a nurse and I'm like, hey, you know, I think she shot 100 yesterday, but she's a really good player. I watched her little bit and I said, hey, know, if you want to be a nurse, come play golf for two years and get it paid for. So that helps, right? Local kids when you can say, hey, you can live at home and you can get your school paid for. So, but that's kind of where we're at right now with scholarships.

J Chris Lemley (15:20)
Gotcha.

Gregg Dewalt (15:21)
Hey, let's jump into the women's side of things because we all know that the talent pool is not as deep as the men's side around here, especially if you have to stay local or need to stay local. How do you kind of go about finding competitive kids and being maybe able to compete?

Tim King (15:49)
Well, it's hard. I was thinking about some things, like I said, I've always coached NA golf, GCO is a little different. So Richard Morgan is a really good friend of mine. He coaches at Calhoun. So I call Richard up and we're talking. And he's just now taking the women over full time. So he has both. His job is full time now. So he said he took

J Chris Lemley (16:11)
Ahem.

Tim King (16:14)
One of his girls, Gracie Prince, think, yeah, Gracie, she qualified individually last year, so they got to go to the national tournament. And he said the top eight or 10 teams in the country only had four girls. On their team, four. So, you know, if you, at the national level, if that's what college women's golf looks like in junior college, then, you know, it's gonna be really hard to recruit. But, you know, right now I've got two, I've got a girl from Tennessee.

I got a girl from Rogers who's verbal, but she hasn't. talked to a girl from Lauderdale County, and then I got a girl coming from Phil Campbell who's about to graduate. So that would be four. If the other two decide to come, then I'll have four. And I really need to just find one or two more. If we can have five, six, I think Taylor would be okay with that for this year. Now next year.

26, I got there's a couple girls from Haleville that are interested. There's a couple girls from Lauderdale County that are interested. we may be able to have seven in year two, but it's just hard. I mean, it's hard all over the place. I've talked to other coaches and everybody's having a hard time finding the women to come play. Because the ones that are good enough,

they're going to go somewhere else, right? The ones that are kind of that level of golfer, most of them have been really, dad wanted them to play, so they played, and now they want to go to college and join a sorority and just enjoy the college life. And I mean, I get that, but I get that a lot. Hey, I'm just going to go to college. I'm going to join a sorority and I'm going to enjoy. I'm not going to practice and have to do all the things I've been doing in high school. So, you you run into that a lot on the women's side.

Gregg Dewalt (18:06)
I think that's kind of where not being able to recruit internationally will hurt because international players are clamoring to come over and find a place to play. And you look at a lot of the mid-major Division I programs, even the high level Division I, there's always one, two, three, four foreign players that are really good.

J Chris Lemley (18:17)
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Yeah, I don't get that. I realize that I'm an old guy.

Tim King (18:45)
Yeah, I mean.

J Chris Lemley (18:47)
International players were very prevalent, you know, in Juco Division two, Division one, but especially in Juco, they were everywhere and in Alabama. I mean, I guess that that's changed at some point, but to Greg's point, the women's side, if you don't have

an interest or a deep interest. And I'm sure that there are some talented international players that would have loved the opportunity. I don't know.

Gregg Dewalt (19:28)
think it's kind of a catch 22, I think for the junior college system, because those, those community colleges were built to give everybody, you know, an opportunity to go to college. And I don't think they, the athletics came into play when they were, you know, building this junior college system. And now once that, once go athletics in there, well, you're trying to be competitive, you know, coaches want to compete.

J Chris Lemley (19:51)
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Gregg Dewalt (19:57)
they want to win championships and to do that you've got to go out and get the best players but it's kind of a hindrance when you can't go out and get the best players and and I get it you want to give local kids a chance an opportunity to go to college you know regardless of their athletics but it is it is kind of a hindrance to really building a competitive team.

J Chris Lemley (20:23)
Yeah. Did we lose you?

Tim King (20:27)
Me? No, I was just thinking about what Greg was saying. He is so right about that. I get emails all the time from services internationally who help kids in other countries find places to go play. I could load up a girls team tomorrow with girls who want to be over here and get an education and play golf. I could find seven and probably a week I could have seven international girls.

that would come here and play. I mean, there's no doubt about it.

Gregg Dewalt (21:03)
I think, and I've had this conversation with a lot of people throughout my career as a sports writer that there's kind of like a misinformation, like when you go to UNA and play and you see a sparse crowd and they will say, well, if you recruit more local kids, more people will show up to watch whatever sport.

Tim King (21:25)
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Gregg Dewalt (21:28)
Yeah, you might get a little bump in the crowd, if you're not winning, you're not getting the other, know, people aren't going to show up to watch you play and the level. And again, I'm more familiar with the UNA aspect of it, but that level of the UNA is playing at now in division one, even when they were division two, that was a high, super high level and coaches keep their jobs because they win. You know, you can graduate, you know,

J Chris Lemley (21:53)
Mm.

Gregg Dewalt (21:56)
All hundred football players with 4.0, but if you're 0-11 or 0-12 at the end of the day, you ain't keeping your job long. So there's a balance there, but I don't think sometimes people realize the quality of competition that is once you get to college, whether it's junior college, NAIA, that level of competition is ramped up and you can't always win with the local kid. That's just, you know.

Tim King (22:04)
Yeah.

See you now.

Gregg Dewalt (22:25)
I've had plenty of arguments with people over that. And it wasn't a very popular argument to make to people, but you can see it a lot of places. Kids sign football, basketball, and they get on campus. And it's a different animal. And you're playing against men or women. You're not playing against a 14-year-old ninth grader where you can dominate. It's a different game.

J Chris Lemley (22:33)
Yeah.

Gregg Dewalt (22:55)
On all levels, collegiately.

Tim King (22:58)
Yeah, well, mean, guys play, you mean y'all play, y'all know. So I tell kids all the time, like. Go high school golf and college golf at any level does not correlate like you can't. You can't base how you're going to. You know, compete coming right out of high school to college golf because you get moved back, you know, the courses are set up, you know, harder. The competition, like you said, Greg is like very, very. It's it's it's long. It's not just a few kids.

So I try to tell kids all the time, look, don't come in as a freshman because you've played really well in high school. Don't think you're gonna come in and dominate. Now you could, but don't have that expectation because that expectation, I talk to kids about expectation management all the time. If your expectation is not what it should be, it's gonna be hard to manage that and then you're gonna get frustrated. And so I try to talk to kids a lot about when I'm recruiting them, hey,

You know, it is what it is. Hopefully you'll do that, but don't expect that.

Gregg Dewalt (24:04)
Yeah, there's, there's, and there's no easy path. And a lot of these kids, even though your kids are probably going to be living at home, you know, it's, got a time management, between practice, academics is ramped up quite a bit, uh, over some, some of high schools. And, uh, then there's, you know, most, most of your high school golfers, there's not a lot of fitness going on in, in high school, uh, you know, in college.

there's all the fitness aspect of it, you and I'm sure you will be incorporating that into your program. So it's a different animal and not everybody can do it regardless of how talented you might be.

Tim King (24:51)
Yeah, no, definitely the fitness part. know, a lot of kids aren't used to getting up and working out in the morning. We'll be doing that and you know, know, Nicole Hagee, she played at Auburn, really good collegiate golfer. She works for golf forever now and that's the, know, Scotty Schaeffer uses it. It's strength and mobility. We're going to use that. That's what we're going to use because it's the safest. I think it's the best.

You know, if you got kids pumping heavy weights and I want it to be golf oriented fitness, it's not going to be easy because it's not easy. well, you know, that's, that's something that I was, I've done it before, but I was scared to do it because a lot of those fitness coaches, like, you know, I want to make sure that we're focusing on the golf fitness. But back to your point, yeah, a lot of kids, like there's so many different, you know, it's not just waking up, going to school and playing golf in college. It's like waking up.

working out, going to class, practice, study hall. If you have to go to study hall, I've never really had to deal with that much, but it's a whole nother animal when you get to the collegiate level. I don't care what level it's at.

J Chris Lemley (26:03)
Yeah. Well, let's jump into, switch gears a little bit, and jump into the Burns Foundation, Chris and Patricia Burns Foundation, and what you guys have got going on there.

Tim King (26:20)
Yeah, man, we're like we're doing some really, really good stuff with with the high schools. You know, when Chris was living, he always had the big fundraiser to raise money for high school programs. Well, you know, we're when we have when we raise the funds, we you know, we we do we either we're either doing snagging schools or if a school needs golf bags, we bought schools bags this year. We put simulators in two or three different high schools. We're going to continue to do those things. So.

The foundation, I think, is gonna be really good for not just junior golf around here, but it's gonna be really good for high school golf. And I think the best thing for me being a part of it is Chris actually got to see it before he passed. Like he got to see what everything we were doing. The high school tournament that I've started in, know, in his and Patricia's honor for what they've done for junior golf in this area. He was able to be there the very first year we did that and he handed out the awards to all the kids. So, you know, just to

carry on his legacy and like what he did in the area for junior golf, that's the biggest thing for me. And it's people support it. Like it's, you know, it's been well supported. The snag thing has been really good. In the last two years, I think we've introduced golf to about 6,000 kids in all the elementary and middle schools in Lauderdale and Cobbert County. We've put

snag equipment in those schools that the PE teachers can use to continue to find those kids who, know, not all kids are gonna be interested in it, but you wanna find those outliers. That's what we're trying to do. We're trying to find the outliers at a younger age to grow them up to maybe build high school golf programs around here. you never know what kids is out there who is talented.

but they've never been introduced to it. Who could be really good at it? You think about Tiger. If Tiger's dad had never pushed him into golf, mean, just because of, were talking, Heetal always talked about how he had such a hard time because of the color of their skin getting on golf courses and stuff. So you just think about Tiger's dad, if he hadn't pushed him to that. There's other kids out there like that that may not have ever.

been introduced to the game. So that's what we're trying to do with the foundation and help high schools.

J Chris Lemley (28:46)
For those that don't know, they're listening up from this area, explain snag.

Tim King (28:52)
Okay, yeah, so Snag, Terry Anton, whom I met through Gene Diamond, him and Gene were really good friends and Chris used Snag in all his camps and clinics. He used it as well. I met Terry Anton, the, he's the, he found, he, know, he's the founder of Snag Golf, starting new at golf. And it's, you know, it's the clubs have the right grips on them. So when the kid holds it up, even the adult, I mean, we've got lawn clubs for adults, so adults can use it. They want to get into the game.

The perfect grill, the club heads big, it's plastic. You know, you use tennis balls, Velcro balls that are a little bit bigger than ping pong balls. So it makes it, it makes it fun and easy. You know, it makes it to where it's not, you're not trying to hit that little ball with a smaller club. So it teaches the right movements and the right fundamentals, but it makes it easy. So kids and even adults, like I said, you know, we're, we're going to do snack. We're having snag day Saturday.

UNA men's team is going to come out. We're going to do it at Wahawley. And we've invited everybody. It's free. Adults, kids, whoever wants to come that maybe wants to learn to play, we're going to do Snag Day this Saturday at Wahawley. So like I said, UNA's golf team will be out to help us, their men's team. So that's Snag. Snag in a nutshell is starting to look golf. It makes it easy for the person that wants to take a try at it.

Gregg Dewalt (30:18)
It's a great program. I was fortunate enough to attend one, I think, at Mars Hill when they introduced it at Mars Hill. The kids have a blast. mean, they're whacking that ball and whatnot. It's really fun for them. I think once you get a youngster engaged that may otherwise not, it's a great way to get them at least introduced to the game where if they don't start right away, you know,

maybe in a couple of years and say, we did this in PE. I think the key though is keeping the schools engaged in it too. Once you've given, provided them the equipment to get the teachers to continuing going forward.

Tim King (31:04)
Yeah, that's the hard part. I mean, that's what we've noticed. So what we're trying to do now is, is, you know, like I said, the foundation supports the program at Northwest. It's the hardest part has been finding people to go help because you got if you know, you've got 70 kids in some of those county school classes, it's hard to manage that. But now having the golf team at Northwest shells, we're going to we're going to take that on. You know, it can come when they can come.

J Chris Lemley (31:05)
Yeah.

Tim King (31:33)
Their schedule's a lot different than our schedule's gonna be. We're not gonna be traveling way, way off to play golf. So they'll help when they can, but we're gonna take that, the school, I'm gonna take that on with the golf programs. We're gonna go into the school so we can make sure that it happens. Because it's like you said, it's like you have to make sure that the PE teachers are using it, because equipment's expensive. The foundations put it in there to be used. So we're gonna utilize it through the golf program at Northwest.

Gregg Dewalt (32:04)
One thing I'd like to mention too, and get your thoughts on it is getting some simulators into some of these schools. know for a place like Waterloo, which is a rural school, tiny school, there's no golf course probably within what, 40 miles of Waterloo. Blackberry is probably the closest or I don't know if Clifton up in Tennessee is close, but for them to get a simulator for their golf team, which is, I think they restarted it last year or maybe the year before.

Tim King (32:22)
Yeah.

Gregg Dewalt (32:34)
I mean, that's a huge, huge momentum boost for them to be able to not have to go to the golf course every day and put that strain and burden on parents getting their kids to a course.

Tim King (32:48)
Yeah, no, we were up there, Lee and I went up there. Well, Patricia went with us. I think it was maybe a week ago or week and a half ago. The newspaper came out, did a story on it, and we were up there while they were doing the story. You the kids that are there love it. I think the key there is gonna be to make sure that we're focused on those younger kids and bring them up because, you know, they got one guy, they had four guys, three quit. You know, they were brand new to the game.

Kid named Kane and he's still playing he's been playing two and a half months I've been working with him some at Wahali but like They've got her like really dive into the younger kids and try to grow up the program, but Bridget does a great job She is one up like she is dedicated to those kids. She loves those kids and I mean, you know, it's only up for them now but yes to answer your question for them to have that on campus is the GC quad is like, you know, it'll help them it'll help them develop and

You know, find those other kids to come in and participate on the golf team.

Gregg Dewalt (33:55)
What else has the foundation got going on?

Tim King (33:59)
So our Synco DeMille, our fundraising tournament will be at Turtle Point, know, anybody that hadn't signed up or, you know, if they watch this, you know, get signed up and play in it. Like the foundation really does good stuff. You know, there's no, we're not paying out salaries to nobody. Like, you know, we pay volunteers, you know, if the UNAS golf team comes to help snag days.

we make sure that they get money for their program, right? So, but it's doing a lot of great things. So the biggest thing is, is the fundraiser on the fifth. We got the dinner on the fourth at Turtle Point and then the tournament's actually the fifth of May Cinco de Mayo. So other than that, know, just continuing to support the high schools. We actually got apples and water for the kids yesterday and then we got Chick-fil-A breakfast for the coaches for the county tournament. So.

Those are the things we're doing. We're just trying to be there and be a, you know, a support and an arm for, you know, not only the junior golfers in the community, but the high school golfers. So that's, that's pretty much what we're doing right now.

Gregg Dewalt (35:10)
One thing I think, Chris, we probably should mention when we talk about Chris and Patricia Burns, Chris was a long time professional at Florence Country Club. was kind of, I always dubbed him kind of like the pied piper of junior golf around here because you would go out to his clinics and there'd be 120 kids following him around. And, you know, he really embraced the junior golf aspect. There's not a person in the Shoals who probably at least in attend one of his clinics.

in their lifetime and he had a vision for golf, junior golf. He embraced it. And of course he's since passed away, but he's the reason so many people around here are playing golf. And it's great to see his name being carried on. know, Patricia, his wife, you she was there every step of the way also with Chris and embraced it also. So that's just for our listeners who aren't familiar with the Scholes area, but Chris Burns is

He was a legend in junior golf around here, just for the way he conducted his clinics and was teaching everybody under the sun.

J Chris Lemley (36:19)
Yeah, well said. And he had one pretty decent student for sure. Stewart Cink He may have him, yeah.

Tim King (36:19)
Yeah. Yeah.

Gregg Dewalt (36:26)
I don't know who you're talking about. He may have been a guest on our show before.

Tim King (36:30)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Gregg Dewalt (36:35)
Of course that's Stewart Cink who 2009 Open Championship winner, which on another subject, of course, y'all saw Stewart Cink's tweet the other day about how the whole world was pulling for Rory and he could have kind of

He could figure out, he knew the emotions going through that because for Justin Rose, everybody was pulling for Rory and probably not a lot of people for Justin. anyway, Tim, what else? You got anything else for us? I know you're up at Wohalli.

Tim King (37:14)
No, I mean, just know what work.

Yeah, like we're going to be doing this, so we're starting to ADM the American Development Model, which the PGA adopted a couple of years ago. You know, it's basically what ADM does is is ADM, you know, it started with hockey and then hockey used the American Development Model for long term athlete development. The PGA of America adopted it, created it, created a curriculum for golf. PGA members can get certified in ADM. I took the

and got certified. I'm also PGA coach certified. So we're going to be doing eight month programs starting next month. So when your kid signs up, it's not a four day camp. It's every Saturday for seven or eight months. And it basically what ADM does is it, it's not just, develops athletes, right? Cause it teaches the proper movement patterns. You know, there's five key principles. I have them somewhere, but like there's five key principles to it. So ADM is really good. I don't think the PGA of America would have adopted it.

Hockey was very successful with it developing their athletes. So we're gonna use it. We're gonna start doing that at Wahali. That'll start next month and we're gonna have snag days. we're just trying to, what we're trying to do at Wahali is we're trying to have a place where kids can go get completely developed, like technical, mental, physical, nutritional, hydrational. So like if you have...

a junior golfer who wants to like really work toward the collegiate level golf. We want to make sure at Wehalla we have all those pieces together for them. So we're working on that. Eventually we want it to become like not a full-time academy, but a place where an academy where kids can come get everything they need to develop the right way. Because that is, you know, to me for a kid that, you know, when a kid comes and stands in my bay for an hour, we just work on technical stuff. They're not learning how to play the game. You know, get on the golf.

you got to be on the golf course. That's where you learn to play. Course management, picking strategic and smart targets and not making mistakes. So kids can learn technical, but we want to be able to make sure that they have the ability to have everything, like a la carte, every how you say it, right? We want it to be a la carte. they have all the pieces. So we're working on that. Keith, Thigpen, the owner and I are really

We've really dove into that. We're really trying to create an environment where kids can come out and develop. Because I'm big on that. think developing, you got to develop them the right way. can't just, it's not just technical. You can be the most sound technical player in the world, but if you don't have the mental side, the course management side, all those things that you need, it's going to be harder to be successful, I think.

J Chris Lemley (40:00)
Yeah, that's true. How many times have you been on the range and seen somebody that just stripes it shot after shot and they get on the golf course and they just don't seem to trans, to the, to a really, really good score.

Tim King (40:16)
Yeah, I mean that's true. I mean it's

Gregg Dewalt (40:17)
It's a long walk from

the practice range to the first day.

Tim King (40:22)
It's so true, you know. But other than that, mean, yeah.

Gregg Dewalt (40:26)
Even if you're at Huntsville

country club where it's like three steps away, it's still a long walk. Well, well Holly's up in green hill, Alabama. So free, free plug, free commercial for Wohalli. It's a really nice facility up there. track man, correct.

J Chris Lemley (40:31)
Ha ha.

Tim King (40:34)
Yeah, those like if we started.

Yeah, it's not far.

Trackman, was, what was this? Top Tracer, it was Top Tracer. Keith switched to Trackman, you know, we got the practice area. Greg, you did a story on it when they first opened it, I think. So, I mean, it's a really good facility and Keith is really willing to put money in it. He's got access to the land behind it and to the side of it. He's in the process now of talking to people. He wants to build.

Gregg Dewalt (40:53)
Was top face, now it's track man.

Tim King (41:19)
start with nine holes lighted then he's gonna put another nine hole and there'll be 18 hole lighted short course for people to come out in the evenings play. That's his next, that's Keith's next big focus so I think that'll be good so.

J Chris Lemley (41:32)
Mm-hmm.

Gregg Dewalt (41:35)
We're breaking news here on the Cartburn podcast.

J Chris Lemley (41:38)
Yeah.

Tim King (41:38)
Yeah, yeah, I don't, he may

kill me for that, but I don't know. You know, we've talked about it and you know, he's, he's, uh, he wants to do it. I know that he wouldn't have said it. So like, um, you know, Keith's a, Keith's a smart businessman. So, you know, he wants it to happen, but other than that, you know, that's pretty much just, I got juggling a lot of balls and a lot of different things. And, you know, you'd mentioned Huntsville country club, you know, if we went down that rabbit hole talking about Joel and

I love working with Joel and Gene. mean, those guys taught me so, Joel, Joel taught me so much. Gene taught me so much. Billy Cleveland taught me so much. It's those guys who have really, know, fueled me to kind of be where I'm at. So I know y'all got something to say about the goose.

J Chris Lemley (42:19)
I'm

Cleveland my old roomie At you and a yeah, no Billy's Billy's good guy

Tim King (42:29)
Yeah, yeah, no, I love Billy. Billy, my gosh, know,

Billy and I talk a lot and Billy was really, Billy was a huge influence on me. There's, mean, there's no doubt about it. He took care of me and taught me a lot of really cool, cool stuff about this business that I'm in now. So I love Billy Cleveland.

Gregg Dewalt (42:55)
That's a lot of experience in those guys and lot of BS in them too.

J Chris Lemley (43:01)
you

Tim King (43:02)
Well, yeah, all three of them. but, you know, like I said, just maybe being able to be around the people that I've been around, you know, like I don't, you know, I believe that things happen for a reason and I believe God puts you in certain places at certain times. And for me to be around those type of people throughout my 30 years doing this, it's like it's helped me tremendously, you know.

J Chris Lemley (43:04)
Yeah, some more than others.

Gregg Dewalt (43:06)
Someone...

J Chris Lemley (43:31)
Sure.

Tim King (43:31)
I

feel like at least get to where I'm somewhat at. know, I'm not, know, dream job would be a division one, you know, be a division one coach. But this job at Northwest guys is a it's it's really my forever job. Hopefully it'll turn into a full time job down the road. You know, I'm teaching. So I'm home finally don't want to go nowhere. I've been to Pensacola. I've been to West Texas like.

know, over the last five or six years, I've been to a lot of different places, but I got to meet really good people in those places. know, Pensacola, Marty Stanoff, it's with the first T. I learned a lot from that guy, you know. So I was able to be around Boo and Bub a lot at Stonebrook. like, just where God has moved me, know, sometimes I think, what in the world am I doing? But you know, at the end of the day, he's put me around some really, really good people who've taught me a lot of things.

Gregg Dewalt (44:25)
Good deal. You, uh, you'll have to hook up the car barn with some Northwest Shoals golf gear now. Just throwing that out there.

J Chris Lemley (44:26)
Well, that's a

Tim King (44:31)
100%.

I promise you guys, you'll get a hat and a shirt. I'll get you guys a hat and a shirt. Yeah, you gotta wear it though.

J Chris Lemley (44:33)
Hey.

Gregg Dewalt (44:40)
I need a floppy, I need a floppy hat. I've graduated to that.

J Chris Lemley (44:46)
Ugh.

Tim King (44:47)
he

wear floppies? Okay, we can do that.

Gregg Dewalt (44:49)
When it's not too windy if it's windy I don't but anyway, so I just I you know anything anything free is good, right Chris?

Tim King (44:51)
Ha ha.

Yes.

J Chris Lemley (44:58)
Yeah,

Greg's motto, if it's free, I'll take three. Well, Tim, thanks for coming on the Cart Bar and we appreciate it. Best of luck to you and the golf team and that program getting it started and just we'll have to have you on and give us some updates this next year after you get back out in the fall. So thanks again.

Gregg Dewalt (45:02)
You

Tim King (45:03)
Hahaha

Gregg Dewalt (45:05)
So we'll.

Tim King (45:24)
Yeah, no,

I would love to do that. No, thank y'all. I mean, like I said earlier, just knowing some of the guests you guys have had on here and what you're doing with this podcast, I think is really cool. Really. It's a really good thing. So for you to ask me to be on, that's an honor. I mean that when I say that. So thank you all very much.

Gregg Dewalt (45:43)
Good deal. We'll be in touch, Tim. Thanks a lot, man.

Tim King (45:46)
Alright,

alright guys, take care.